Chester talks on his beefs

new bile · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:03 pm

cds and records are too expensive.

foghorn-leghorn · **Joined:** Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:13 am **Posts:** 6

Pat Bateman wrote:

Ted Maul wrote:

The horrible fact is that bootlegging, illegal d/ling and the like are here to stay. It's part of human nature to want something for free and if it's easy to get it for free, lots of people will do it. Some people will go on to buy stuff and some people won't. Human nature is a notoriously hard thing to change, it's like telling a domestic cat not to hunt birds for the fuck of it even though they get loads of food from their owners. I'm not saying that everyone is like this but a significant proportion of people will always be like this.

It's also human nature for people to want something back for the work they put in so I can totally understand artists getting pissed off about people stealing the music they make. As someone who's on an independent label I know how much d/ling is damaging CD sales. Paying for downloads will certainly go some to redressing this balance but a lot of people still want something physical if they're going to pay for this. This year we've a couple of attempts to find new ways around this (Prince, Radiohead) but these are options that are only open to very few at the moment and significantly these are people with big fan bases already. I don't have an answer but music was around way before there was anything to record it on, so the industry is a very young industry and things change, thats unavoidable.

I don't have an answer and I've downloaded stuff. I've also spent a fuckload of money on releases, especially UK music in general (from ukhh to grime to ukg to indie). Until there's an ehthically sound way to protect digital music so it will at least be hard for someone to upload and give it away (which I personally think will be nigh on impossible), I can't see the situation changing.

Truth.

But i don't think it's our responsibility as the consumer to change the situation. Surely some of the massive profits that the big corporations have extorted from artists and fans over the years could've been invested into coming up with ways of deterring people from illegally d/loading music? It's not my job to come up with the solution, but offering better value product is generally the way that people compete in the market place. The major labels seem almost happy to just muddle along losing money at the moment. What changes have people made? The odd album comes out with a DVD or free poster with it. It ain't enough. But like I said, it's not my job to solve this problem: I've spent enough on records over the years and i have enough to do before my office closes for xmas...

this argument is like 'should i get battery eggs or free range eggs'
you should watch jamie oliver's fowl dinners ... i think it is kinda down to the consumer to have some kinda discression as to what they consume as this is what creates the demand - it is also a massive big responsibility of the industry as to whats available but we all know how hard it is to control the actions of others... especially others connected together as a corporation !... and we also all know how much easier it is to blame and point the finger at the other guy(s).
The thing is it's much more achievable to take responsibility for your own actions and actually listen to the consience that isn't being biassed by greed, selfishness, ignorance and such. these are some of the unfortunate reasons that the consumer market has been saturated to the point where mac's got a new £300 iPod every month ... because they know there's a bunch of mindless fuckers creating an argument why they 'need' it and go buy that little piece of metal.
i ain't tryin 2 pretend i know the answers but i'll say again, people need to know in themselves whats right and whats wrong and be responsible for themself
- obviously burning or downloading something for a kid who aint heard it before is really a kind act with a view to opening someone's mind up - no artist would ever really complain of that thats like how underground mixtapes used to blow people up ... but try walking in a shop and getting the guy to give you a bottle of wine or even a mars bar for free - that aint gonna happen - and wine and chocolate are certainly not suffering industries are they now? so why are broke artists gona give their art for free to people who can afford it for more than £0.00p
and i aint EVEN gona pretend i don't download but i definitely make an effort to buy and support the products and artists who i'm going to listen to and/or have respect for - like the coral - i d/loaded their album, different kinda thing than what i usually listen to - now cos i love it i've gone and bought the cd, bought tickets to their gig, got the shirt - i'm a fan and happy to buy into suttm i like & believe in.
One more thing,,, before the internet there used to be a community of people who would share their love and enthusiasm for music by showing up to record shops and shows and interacting - this is the thing i find most tragic about this internet era and i feel if people made an effort in stead of excuses to get out and make their presence felt in the real world things could get a bit more back on track - live shows people thats the future!

if the power can be in someone else's hands it can equally be in yours too

bye

foghorn-leghorn · **Joined:** Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:13 am **Posts:** 6

Social Conscience wrote:

We all know the problems....Now for some solutions...

1) Digital Downloads - Like Saul Williams did. Because you are not buying a physical product, as such, production costs will not apply, neither distribution costs, etc.

That way, you can download the album, with artwork files, and pay a few quid for it.

Benefits: Cheaper to produce, minimal costs for distribution etc, mainly CHEAPER cost to consumer.

2) Promoters and live shows.

Maybe, artists could negotiate a fee to be added to the cost of the ticket price.

i.e. Taskforce live £6 - the promoter could charge £8 - everyone that comes to the show gets 'a free CD' (in their eyes) the artist then gets the £2 for each CD sold/'given away'.

Now, you can moan that £2 for a sale is a low amount, but really though, when you take into account that these are quote-inquote easy sales, handled by the actual club promoter - then I don't think that would be a bad return. And for the artists performing to bigger (600+ cap) venues, then they would make a fair wedge.

Benefits: A large amount of units moved in one go - nice wedge for the artists, fanbase will increase, NO MIDDLEMEN involved, everyone assumes they're gettin the CD free (and everyone loves a freebie, hence this whole scenario anyway :roll:

)

this is more like it - good ideas

the average man · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:58 am

Rocky Bison wrote:

Ted Maul wrote:

The horrible fact is that bootlegging, illegal d/ling and the like are here to stay. It's part of human nature to want something for free and if it's easy to get it for free, lots of people will do it. Some people will go on to buy stuff and some people won't. Human nature is a notoriously hard thing to change, it's like telling a domestic cat not to hunt birds for the fuck of it even though they get loads of food from their owners. I'm not saying that everyone is like this but a significant proportion of people will always be like this.

It's also human nature for people to want something back for the work they put in so I can totally understand artists getting pissed off about people stealing the music they make. As someone who's on an independent label I know how much d/ling is damaging CD sales. Paying for downloads will certainly go some to redressing this balance but a lot of people still want something physical if they're going to pay for this. This year we've a couple of attempts to find new ways around this (Prince, Radiohead) but these are options that are only open to very few at the moment and significantly these are people with big fan bases already. I don't have an answer but music was around way before there was anything to record it on, so the industry is a very young industry and things change, thats unavoidable.

I don't have an answer and I've downloaded stuff. I've also spent a fuckload of money on releases, especially UK music in general (from ukhh to grime to ukg to indie). Until there's an ehthically sound way to protect digital music so it will at least be hard for someone to upload and give it away (which I personally think will be nigh on impossible), I can't see the situation changing.

Wanting stuff for free is human nature??

No it isn't, where did you get that from? We'd all be in prison if that was true. Wanting what you can't have is human nature, not wanting stuff for free.

Anyway, downloading is gay, and the internet is mostly gay.
Lewis Parker's last LP was all about the analog vs digital battle, but I doubt any of you clueless fucks would've been able to hear the message.

I've not heard it I'll go and download it now adn give it a listen... :lol:

the average man · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:17 am

reprobate wrote:

What about then: the original cds I did purchase from these ‘independent’ (rip-off) merchants which have all gone missin one way or another? should I fork out another £400-500 on cd’s? or burn?

You are allowed by law to make back up copies of your personal DVD's/CD's. Back up means not running copies off for your mates... But in answer to your question, no, don't go out and buy replacements as the CD as a commercial format is dying theres no question of that, and will probably be gone maybe in 10 years or so. It will be superceded by next gen disks or the hardware format may disappear altogether: you'll be able to order a film/ from your sofa from blockbuster, pay for it by card and DL it instantly and then watch it without having to get up from your sofa (or "floor standing rectal support unit" as they'll be called then)

Personally I don't feel CD's will have the collector charm/appeal of say vinyl but that remains to be seen....

reprobate wrote:

What about the whitelabels that never make it onto cd? I’ve got cd decks so vinyl’s no good to me, should I not be allowed to hear some of the deepest underground tunes because of the format I play music on?

Issues with formats will be around for a long time to come and the digital age will exasperate it as all the companies are coming out with their bespoke next gen DVD's and of course competitors players probably won't be able to play the different disks etc. Same goes for the MP3 replacement(s) (what you thought MP3 would be around forever?). I reckon a fusion of audio and video being the new standard i.e. something of superior audio and video quality that can be equally watched and listened to on your hi-fi (or whatever they will call them in the future)

Pat Bateman · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:06 am

foghorn-leghorn wrote:

this argument is like 'should i get battery eggs or free range eggs'
you should watch jamie oliver's fowl dinners ...

I did watch that, but I couldn't help thinking "they're only chickens". No offence, Foghorn, if you are indeed the real Foghorn-Leghorn.

foghorn-leghorn · **Joined:** Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:13 am **Posts:** 6

well on the subject of eggs, its not even whether you care about the welfare of chickens - its more about the welfare of your body that will be injesting some frowsy malnourished unwell egg. same way i can think well it's only other people who are poisonin themselves with those dirty eggs but when that starts being the norm u gotta address it

same thing with the demand bad quality shitty sounding mp3's that eveyone is used to accepting because speed and ease is the case - cheap lazy motherfuckers.

o yea PS: jus you tr- i say jus you try getting an onion anywhere near this ringpiece & see what happens bwoai - foghorn's for life not just for dinner bYATCH!

Ted Maul · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:49 am

Rocky Bison wrote:

Ted Maul wrote:

The horrible fact is that bootlegging, illegal d/ling and the like are here to stay. It's part of human nature to want something for free and if it's easy to get it for free, lots of people will do it. Some people will go on to buy stuff and some people won't. Human nature is a notoriously hard thing to change, it's like telling a domestic cat not to hunt birds for the fuck of it even though they get loads of food from their owners. I'm not saying that everyone is like this but a significant proportion of people will always be like this.

It's also human nature for people to want something back for the work they put in so I can totally understand artists getting pissed off about people stealing the music they make. As someone who's on an independent label I know how much d/ling is damaging CD sales. Paying for downloads will certainly go some to redressing this balance but a lot of people still want something physical if they're going to pay for this. This year we've a couple of attempts to find new ways around this (Prince, Radiohead) but these are options that are only open to very few at the moment and significantly these are people with big fan bases already. I don't have an answer but music was around way before there was anything to record it on, so the industry is a very young industry and things change, thats unavoidable.

I don't have an answer and I've downloaded stuff. I've also spent a fuckload of money on releases, especially UK music in general (from ukhh to grime to ukg to indie). Until there's an ehthically sound way to protect digital music so it will at least be hard for someone to upload and give it away (which I personally think will be nigh on impossible), I can't see the situation changing.

Wanting stuff for free is human nature??

No it isn't, where did you get that from? We'd all be in prison if that was true. Wanting what you can't have is human nature, not wanting stuff for free.

Anyway, downloading is gay, and the internet is mostly gay.
Lewis Parker's last LP was all about the analog vs digital battle, but I doubt any of you clueless fucks would've been able to hear the message.

I'd argue that's why we have things like prison and locks on doors and things like that. I didn't say everyone wants something for free but there will always be a significant proportion of people who will take something for free if they have the chance and that proportion increases the easier it is to get something for free and if there is a lack of percieved penalties.

To be honest if people didn't get that one of themes running through It's All Happening Now is about the analog/digital thing you'd have to be a little bit muggy.

Uni · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:41 pm

Ted Maul wrote:

Rocky Bison wrote:

Ted Maul wrote:

The horrible fact is that bootlegging, illegal d/ling and the like are here to stay. It's part of human nature to want something for free and if it's easy to get it for free, lots of people will do it. Some people will go on to buy stuff and some people won't. Human nature is a notoriously hard thing to change, it's like telling a domestic cat not to hunt birds for the fuck of it even though they get loads of food from their owners. I'm not saying that everyone is like this but a significant proportion of people will always be like this.

It's also human nature for people to want something back for the work they put in so I can totally understand artists getting pissed off about people stealing the music they make. As someone who's on an independent label I know how much d/ling is damaging CD sales. Paying for downloads will certainly go some to redressing this balance but a lot of people still want something physical if they're going to pay for this. This year we've a couple of attempts to find new ways around this (Prince, Radiohead) but these are options that are only open to very few at the moment and significantly these are people with big fan bases already. I don't have an answer but music was around way before there was anything to record it on, so the industry is a very young industry and things change, thats unavoidable.

I don't have an answer and I've downloaded stuff. I've also spent a fuckload of money on releases, especially UK music in general (from ukhh to grime to ukg to indie). Until there's an ehthically sound way to protect digital music so it will at least be hard for someone to upload and give it away (which I personally think will be nigh on impossible), I can't see the situation changing.

Wanting stuff for free is human nature??

No it isn't, where did you get that from? We'd all be in prison if that was true. Wanting what you can't have is human nature, not wanting stuff for free.

Anyway, downloading is gay, and the internet is mostly gay.
Lewis Parker's last LP was all about the analog vs digital battle, but I doubt any of you clueless fucks would've been able to hear the message.

I'd argue that's why we have things like prison and locks on doors and things like that. I didn't say everyone wants something for free but there will always be a significant proportion of people who will take something for free if they have the chance and that proportion increases the easier it is to get something for free and if there is a lack of percieved penalties.

To be honest if people didn't get that one of themes running through It's All Happening Now is about the analog/digital thing you'd have to be a little bit muggy.

Taking music for free is one thing, but abusing internet access at work is pretty despicable

foghornleghorn · **Joined:** Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:11 am **Posts:** 7

foghorn-leghorn wrote:

Pat Bateman wrote:

Ted Maul wrote:

The horrible fact is that bootlegging, illegal d/ling and the like are here to stay. It's part of human nature to want something for free and if it's easy to get it for free, lots of people will do it. Some people will go on to buy stuff and some people won't. Human nature is a notoriously hard thing to change, it's like telling a domestic cat not to hunt birds for the fuck of it even though they get loads of food from their owners. I'm not saying that everyone is like this but a significant proportion of people will always be like this.

It's also human nature for people to want something back for the work they put in so I can totally understand artists getting pissed off about people stealing the music they make. As someone who's on an independent label I know how much d/ling is damaging CD sales. Paying for downloads will certainly go some to redressing this balance but a lot of people still want something physical if they're going to pay for this. This year we've a couple of attempts to find new ways around this (Prince, Radiohead) but these are options that are only open to very few at the moment and significantly these are people with big fan bases already. I don't have an answer but music was around way before there was anything to record it on, so the industry is a very young industry and things change, thats unavoidable.

I don't have an answer and I've downloaded stuff. I've also spent a fuckload of money on releases, especially UK music in general (from ukhh to grime to ukg to indie). Until there's an ehthically sound way to protect digital music so it will at least be hard for someone to upload and give it away (which I personally think will be nigh on impossible), I can't see the situation changing.

Truth.

But i don't think it's our responsibility as the consumer to change the situation. Surely some of the massive profits that the big corporations have extorted from artists and fans over the years could've been invested into coming up with ways of deterring people from illegally d/loading music? It's not my job to come up with the solution, but offering better value product is generally the way that people compete in the market place. The major labels seem almost happy to just muddle along losing money at the moment. What changes have people made? The odd album comes out with a DVD or free poster with it. It ain't enough. But like I said, it's not my job to solve this problem: I've spent enough on records over the years and i have enough to do before my office closes for xmas...

this argument is like 'should i get battery eggs or free range eggs'
you should watch jamie oliver's fowl dinners ... i think it is kinda down to the consumer to have some kinda discression as to what they consume as this is what creates the demand - it is also a massive big responsibility of the industry as to whats available but we all know how hard it is to control the actions of others... especially others connected together as a corporation !... and we also all know how much easier it is to blame and point the finger at the other guy(s).
The thing is it's much more achievable to take responsibility for your own actions and actually listen to the consience that isn't being biassed by greed, selfishness, ignorance and such. these are some of the unfortunate reasons that the consumer market has been saturated to the point where mac's got a new £300 iPod every month ... because they know there's a bunch of mindless fuckers creating an argument why they 'need' it and go buy that little piece of metal.
i ain't tryin 2 pretend i know the answers but i'll say again, people need to know in themselves whats right and whats wrong and be responsible for themself
- obviously burning or downloading something for a kid who aint heard it before is really a kind act with a view to opening someone's mind up - no artist would ever really complain of that thats like how underground mixtapes used to blow people up ... but try walking in a shop and getting the guy to give you a bottle of wine or even a mars bar for free - that aint gonna happen - and wine and chocolate are certainly not suffering industries are they now? so why are broke artists gona give their art for free to people who can afford it for more than £0.00p
and i aint EVEN gona pretend i don't download but i definitely make an effort to buy and support the products and artists who i'm going to listen to and/or have respect for - like the coral - i d/loaded their album, different kinda thing than what i usually listen to - now cos i love it i've gone and bought the cd, bought tickets to their gig, got the shirt - i'm a fan and happy to buy into suttm i like & believe in.
One more thing,,, before the internet there used to be a community of people who would share their love and enthusiasm for music by showing up to record shops and shows and interacting - this is the thing i find most tragic about this internet era and i feel if people made an effort in stead of excuses to get out and make their presence felt in the real world things could get a bit more back on track - live shows people thats the future!

if the power can be in someone else's hands it can equally be in yours too

bye

errr... who's jacking my name? what is this, don't post often enough and someone seizes your identity like it's squatter's rights? pisstake. come we duke it out - who can do the best impression of a six foot rooster?

ACQ · **Joined:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:56 pm **Posts:** 15

20p noodles sound delish, where can i get some

Rob Black wrote:

That's probably why all northerners are shit at rapping. (except about two people.)

goway ya fool, skinnyman, jehst, Stig, text offenders & dialect to name just a few are making good hip hop..
oh and i may be wrong but Chester himself was born in the north east to geordie/mackem parentage :wink:

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